Apparently Phil Simms Doesn’t Believe Sure-Fire Hall Of Famers Are Elite
Simms, August: “Here we were five years ago, before the Giants won their first Super Bowl, and all the talk that year was maybe the Giants need to bring another quarterback in and Tom Coughlin’s in trouble. Now they both absolutely one day will go in the Hall of Fame.”
Simms, yesterday: “No, he is not one of the elites. Because when I hear the word elite, I’m thinking about guys that can make unbelievable plays on the field by themselves. There are very few quarterbacks in that category. So yes, Eli has been a tremendous team player. He has been MVP of the Super Bowl twice. I know that. But the way I look at it, the answer is no.”
Here we go again. It was less than two months ago when fat Jason Whitlock proved he was nothing more than a chubbier, blacker Skip Bayless. Now Phil Simms hops on board the hypocritical train to kick a retard while he’s down. Losing 2 in a row for the first time in a calendar year is reason enough to write off a pair of improbable championships (where Eli was MVP for both) & another NFC East title in the past 5 seasons? And, if not for impossibly blowing a 21-point 4th quarter lead to Philly in 2010 (which Eli had zero to do with – 289/4 TD/1 INT), there’d be another playoff berth to include. Dropping one to the Bengals was atrocious, and Manning is absolutely to blame for it – but he’s slumping in the middle of a regular season that still finds his squad at the top of their division. Big fucking deal. Brady lost to AZ at home. Brees wasn’t elite in a loss to the Panthers. Big Ben couldn’t beat the Titans’ NFL-worst defense. All these morons knocking Eli down a few pegs now are not only the same people to praise him in the past, but will do so again before this season ends.
I’m not saying he’s the best quarterback in the league – but he’s got 2 rings, a resume of spectacular comebacks/road wins and is currently riding the 3rd-longest consecutive starts streak in the history of the NFL. Championships, the ability to win under any circumstances & durability. Those are the facts. He’s no Trent Dilfer, either – as he goes, so do the Giants. Is Eli better than Drew Brees? Probably not…but Brees has never won a road playoff game (0-3) and his stats are padded at home. Tom Brady? Well the dude’s been to 5 Super Bowls – but Eli’s 2-0 in the ultimate head-to-head while Brady is 1-4 in playoff games away from Gillette since Manning’s first full year (2005). Rodgers? Peyton? Elite in their own right – but Eli dismissed Rodgers last year, and let’s not forget big brother’s playoff shortcomings. He’s had some success, but he’s also got 5 one-and-dones. Big Ben did lead the Steelers to a Giants-esque Super Bowl crown in 2005 (3 road wins) for his first of 2 rings…but Eli’s done that twice. And don’t even start with Matt Ryan (might as well be Romo in the postseason) or RG3 (look at Cam Newton’s sophomore year). All the talent in the world is meaningless until it translates to titles. That’s just how the QB position works (unless you’re Dan Marino).
Has he been “elite” over the past couple weeks? No. Doofy, dumb & inconsistent at times? For sure. If you’re one of those who never agreed with his anointment, then I got no problem with your “I told you so”. But Phil Simms, Whitlock, and the rest of the talking heads in the midst of their convenient flip-flopping can lick me where I shit. If he’s a HOF’er, he’s an elite QB. End of argument.
Look, the reason why guys like Simms and others don’t consider Eli elite is because he’s not an imposing presence. He looks like a retarded 5 year old on the field. He’s made clutch plays in the Super Bowl, but he also makes a ton of retarded plays in other games.
Not a Giants fan but can’t take anything away from Eli. Great player. The NYC media circus eats every player up at some point. Raises them up way beyond where they should be, then buries them deeper than they deserve.
You: start writing more. Thank God we don’t have to ever see Strasser again.
He is most certainly not a HOFer. Lucky as shit, yes.
He’s elite as Rosie O’Donnell is hot. He’s been good and very, very lucky. Not elite.
“Eli dismissed Rodgers last year” Yeah, all those passes Green Bay dropped were totally Eli’s fault, his pass rushing skills were superb in that game.
“2 rings, 2 rings, 2 rings” is all I keep hearing about when people try to defend Eli, but teams win rings, especially in American football. It is this type of logic that leads people to think Tim Tebow is a good QB. As a sports blogger, you should be smarter than that. Bring up statistics, like Eli leading the league in red zone picks since 2010, when you justify his “eliteness”, because rings mean squat, see Terry Bradshaw and Dan Marino.
You can rig those red zone INT stats all you want. Here’s a link that shows Eli has just as many as Brees & Big Ben from 2009-2011: http://www.ffmastermind.com/fantasy-football-red-zone-analysis.php I’m not simply saying “2 rings, 2 rings”, nor am I saying he’s the best. But he clearly belongs in the top-5 conversation, which makes him an elite QB. The way he won those rings & MVPs along the way was against all odds – even just to get to the postseason last year. Obviously he didn’t do it all himself but neither has anyone else. Every QB has receivers and a defense that does something at some point, but that doesn’t discount a 21-33/330/3/1 line against GB or anything else he’s done.
I have to agree. The retarded Manning brother is pretty elite. I’d put him behind most the QB’s you mentioned — but he’s got two rings and that is what counts in this league. Foot ball genius moron at everything else.
I agree with everything you said, and that’s coming from a Patriots fan. Is he the best QB in the game? Definitely not, but he’s no Trent Dilfer/Brad Johnson either. Top 5 or 6 in the game for sure. That said though, Super Bowl MVP’s is a dumb stat to throw around, because they can really only go to 4 or 5 players on a given team. Every person on that 2007 Giants defense deserved the MVP more than Manning. He was MVP by default that year. 2011 was a different story.
Eli Manning’s 2 Super Bowl Runs 2073 yards 15 tds 2 ints 8-0 3 comebacks 2 game winning drives. He may be average regular season QB but he’s at his best when the games mean the most and the competition is the toughest. Every team who wins a title has several turn of events that help turn their season into championship seasons. Fuck all the haters.
I wouldn’t call Eli a HOF QB just yet, but being a 2x SB MVP (even if both victories were total team efforts and they had to give it to somebody) is a solid foundation on the ol’ resume. And this is coming from a Giants fan
why does everybody assume the fallacy that overrated or “not elite” somehow means you suck?
Eli is Top 6 in the game for sure, but I don’t think Top 6 is “elite”, I think that is a pretty strong word, and having 2 SB MVPs does not put you across the threshold.
Ben Rothleisberger has won 2 super bowls, would you say he is elite? Neither would I.
Eli’s retard strength gives him huge advantages over the other “elite” QBs. When he’s under duress and getting knocked around; and when it’s the 2 minute drill he kicks everyone’s ass. Brady and Rodgers curl up like school girls under heavy pass rushes.
“Brady is 1-4 in playoff games away from Gillette since Manning’s first full year (2005).”
I hate these types of stats, even when they are in the Patriots favor. The whole thing about ‘Pats are unbeaten, at home, when blah blah blah’ type of argument sucks any time. How can you discount his previous comebacks, victories, and such. He is getting older and I think the knee surgery really hurt his deep ball. And Brady did his job against the Giants against the Giants both meetings last year, imo.
This is just Brady’s example. I think you are discounting the other qbs in the league too easily. And that is how you judge players, by comparing them to others. I saw an article the other day that crunched some numbers regarding BRady, the Mannings, Brees, Rodgers, and Big Ben(I think) and they revealed that Eli is significantly less consistent.
Also, I do not see the int stat in the link you posted, I do see that they point out his incompletions, interceptions, and deep ball ability.
Don’t get me wrong, Eli is clutch as fuck, but I dont think carries the ‘elite’ tag, yet.
What the fuck is a Phil Simms?
What the fuck is a Phil Simms?
@goodguygronk I’m not dismissing them at all – I think Brady and the others are better, more consistent overall. Just saying there are arguments to be made in Eli’s favor. That’s what puts him up there with today’s elites. Considering the Hall of Fame only has 20 something QBs there from the SB era and Eli’s most likely headed there, that’s the definition of all-time elite.
I am a Patriots fan, so naturally I wish Eli would get dick cancer or something.
But one thing is for certain, Eli Manning is a better quarterback than Phil Simms ever was. The man earned his due. He still a half retarded goober.
@610 Fair enough. Maybe my judgement of Elite/Top tier qbs is incorrect. I just think he and Big Ben (I used to say Rivers..) were just below the other four. But, the argument could be made otherwise.
I see the int stat you mentioned earlier. So, I guess I could argue that this is what makes Big Ben and Eli comparable. Brees had ~80 more attempts and ~30 more TDs, with the same amount of picks – which puts him in a class above.