Cabrera Takes First Place In All 3 Triple Crown Categories, Mike Trout Is Still Your MVP

I’ve been having this argument on Twitter for like a week now. Truth be told its hard to convince the idiots supporting Miguel Cabrera 140 characters at a time, so I’m gonna do it here. Now I know this is Barstool so I’m not gonna get all sabermetric-y on you. I won’t talk about WAR and shit like that. Just basic baseball analysis will still lead to you to Mike Trout as the MVP. I understand most of you are in football mode and don’t care, or if you have any baseball knowledge this is a no brainer so this read may be redundant as countless writers have already made these points. But if you’re a Stoolie and you’re drinking the Miggy Triple Crown Kool Aid and wanna hear why you’re an idiot, keep reading
First lets go through the 3 main reasons why people want Miguel Cabrera to win:
1) He’s gonna win the Triple Crown. The Triple Crown is awesome. Its a historically rare and quirky thing that is a nice achievement to throw on your resume. So is hitting for the cycle. Neither of them are statistically that important. The triple crown is made up of 3 stats – 1 is home runs. You can’t deny the importance of home runs, and Miggy obviously beats out Mike Trout in this department. 1 is batting average – a flawed and incomplete stat. And RBI – a pretty useless stat thats based on circumstance. Somewhere along the line back during like World War I people decided runs batted in was important and for some reason a hundred years later people still believe that. Bottom line is, RBIs are completely dependent upon your teammates and where you bat in the batting order. Mike Trout bats lead off, Miguel Cabrera in the middle of the order. Cabrera probably sits atop the league in RBI opportunities, Mike Trout does not. Plain and simple Mike Trout could and would have the same RBI numbers if it wasn’t a completely circumstantial stat. As far as the batting average aspect A) the difference between the two is negligible and B) are we just going to ignore walks and reaching base in any other manner besides a hit? Mike Trout has a higher OBP than Cabrera.
At the end of the day, the Triple Crown is a nice achievement, but its just 3 arbitrary stats that were agreed upon to be considered a massive deal. There are other offensive categories that are just as important, and more important, than pieces of the triple crown. Also, just to point out the blatantly obvious – if Cabrera fell one or 2 RBI short or one home run away from the Crown, should be be considered any less valuable?
2) The Tigers are going to make the playoffs – therefore Miguel is more valuable: I think its completely ridiculous that this is even being considered. Baseball is the last sport on earth where team success should be used to evaluate a players worth. Yes, winning is the point of the game – thats why they give out hardware for the World Champions. As far as evaluating the MVP trophy, its just crazy to use that in your decision making process. One player cannot carry a team. There are a million different factors contributing to the Tigers winning the division that has nothing to do with Cabrera. But, for the sake of argument, lets discuss team success. The Tigers would be in 4th place in the AL West. The Angels have 89 wins, the Tigers 87. So now Mike Trout is being penalized for playing in a more competitive division? Miggy gets the award because he plays against the Royals and Twins and Indians all year? Yea. That makes sense. And to take it one step further the Angels were like 6-14 when they called up Trout. Team was an unmitigated disaster. Since his arrival they went 82-57. Again, I’m not saying I believe that you should attribute any of the teams success to one player, I’m just saying if you want to make that argument, Trout still beats out Cabrera
3) Miggy is the first to do “ABC” since “XYZ” – There’s a million of these going around. The first triple crown since Yaz in 1967. The big one last night was “Cabrera now has 201 H, 40 2B, 44 HR, 137 RBI. Numbers had been reached 3 times in history, twice by Gehrig and once by Ruth.” These are obviously tremendous accolades and great company, but they aren’t the end all be all. Trout could be the 3rd guy in history with 30 home runs and 50 stolen bases. He’s the only player ever with 30 HR, 45 SB and 125R. Someone on twitter argued with me last night “But the triple crown is a thing and Trout’s numbers are just numbers.” Because once collection of numbers is “a thing” and the others are not is the worst logic I’ve ever heard. Bottom line is there are dozens of these tidbits for both guys. You can pick arbitrary stats and historical reference points all day long for both these guys. They’ve had amazing yet different stats that are unparalled in a lot of ways.
Which brings me to my main point – offensively both of these guys are tremendously and equally valuable. Their value at the plate is very, very comprable. Trout higher OBP, Miggy higher OPS. Miggy more RBI, Trout more runs scored. Miggy higher slugging and power numbers gives him the overall edge at the plate, but the discrepancy isn’t that enormous. Where the discrepancy is enormous, is in the field and on the base paths. Mike Trout is a tremendous defender at a premium position and Miguel Cabrera is a fat statue sitting at 3rd base only because his team signed an even fatter guy who they needed to plop at first base. Mike Trout has 50 stolen bases and wreaked havoc on the base paths with his speed. Trout is so vastly superior in every other facet of the game besides standing at home plate with a bat in his hand, he more than makes up for the difference in home runs. By like, a lot. Its not like Mike Trout is a slap singles hitter. He’s got a very healthy 30 bombs to go along with his value everywhere else on the diamond.
Miguel Cabrera will win the MVP. The world is too enamored with the Triple Crown and making the playoffs. But if you value RBI over defense and base running, and you want to judge one player based on an entire pitching staff and batting order’s success, you just don’t know baseball. #TeamTrout.

Regardless of Trouts all around beast season, if your not making the playoffs your not getting the MVP.
Beat that, you little Trout sniffer.
You can’t win the Triple Crown and not win the MVP. That’s ridiculous.
Hitting the glue a bit heavy for a tuesday
trout is not the mvp cabrera is defense and baserunning are overrated by todays stat dweebs. RBI’s are a sign of a good player on a good team, and a sign of clutch. HOW IS BATTING AVERAGE FLAWED. being on a playoff team means you hit when it mattered not you hit a 3 run triple down 10 in the 8th innning.
Leading the league in homers when your home park is Comerica is pretty damn impressive. And honestly, while Trout has had an incredibly impressive season, I’m going to be very interested to see if that continues next year. Pitchers with a full year of tape on someone will attack him differently. Cabrera, after all these years, is one of the top 3 hardest outs in baseball.
You made an outstanding argument for Trout to be Player of the Year, not MVP. That’s why there should be two separate awards… WAIT! There are?!? Great! MVP- Most Valuable Player. TO HIS TEAM. Consequently, team success is a factor. Detroit doesn’t make it without him.
If you don’t think Cabrera is the MVP you’re an idiot. Both had unreal years, but to me, Cabrera is a no brainer
I stopped reading when you said RBI’s are an irrelevant stat. That is just moronic.
@animalman except, you know, when that exact thing happened in 1942 and 1946.
Stick to writing Perez Hilton columns. Your sports knowledge is absolutely embarrassing and then highlighted by the fact your teams are the Mets and Jets.
this is such Met fan logic KFC…always wanting the scrappy little guy over the fucking monster powerhouse…and I love how you try to discount the rarity of the triple crown by comparing it to the cycle…sorry bro that’s bullshit…1967 is the last time it happened…somewhere back in the 30′s for the NL…that matters…you shit on batting average and RBI’s but you J.O. to stolen bases and runs scored?? fuck off
Same season as Ellsbury last year. Did he get it? Nope, cause he didn’t make the playoffs
You’re either a contrarion or a Mets fan to conclude that anyone other than Miggy is MVP.
remember when that fat fuck got a dui? the guys a total slob you have to give it to trout
I agree 100%. Trout > Cabrera all around this year. Triple crown is great but RBIs are stat produced by a good lineup. cabrera is horrible at 3B and trout is a monster in CF. Not even close. As for the people crying about mvp has to come from a playoff team see ryan howard 2006, pujols 2008. Also, see the joke of a division the tigers are in. The Angels have a better record. Boom, roasted
@animalman – good logical and fact-based argument there (that isn’t even true). @thesurething – Detroit also doesn’t make it if they’re playing in any other division
Quirky? Arbitrary? That’s how you describe leading the entire league in the three most important statistical categories over 162 games? This sounds like the rant of an 11 yr old wearing jeans in his baseball picture that wants to get Sandusky’d by The Trout.
Still waiting for someone to refute anything I said about the Triple crown categories or explain how they believe one player is responsible for making the playoffs or how the Angels being a better overall team doesnt matter
And besides, MVP is a dumb award. World series trophy is all that matters
You are nothing but a sabremetrics parrot. You spit out whatever you read. You defend Carlos Beltran’s signing with the Mets, so that’s all we need to know about your baseball knowledge. I hate the argument that OBP is more important than average. Down one with a man on third and two outs, who do you want up? A guy who is more likely to get a hit, or a guy who is more likely to draw a walk and hope the next guy does something? I’m not saying OBP is useless, but using it as the end all and be all is shortsighted.
UtleyBeast…RBI’s are produced by a good lineup?? The fuck do you think produces runs scored?? How many times did Trout steal home this year?? Oh that’s right someone else on his team had to fucking bat him in…so the guy being batted in gets credit in KFC’s eyes but not the guy who got the hit to score him…gotcha
1 is batting average – a flawed and incomplete stat
HOW SO KFC WE ARE WAITING FOR YOU TO EXPLAIN
“Mike Trout does not. Plain and simple Mike Trout could and would have the same RBI numbers if it wasn’t a completely circumstantial stat”
so do you have stats to prove this?
MIggy is up there to swing, not walk, so in the case of a power hitter BA is important
I’m not arguing that any one stat is necessarily “better” than the others. (aside from RBI) OBP vs. BA vs. OPS etc etc can all be debated. The point is, Trout and Cabrera are very very close offensively. Only edge goes to cabrera in power. so lets look at the other 2/3 of baseball, where its not even CLOSE. Trout in a landslide
In a race as close as this, I would say what they did in September should be the difference maker. Cabrera, game set match.
if you’re going to complain that RBI’s are a bad stat because they are too situational and circumstantial, then you have to make a very similar argument for runs being situational. Trout doesnt score 125 runs unless he has people in the lineup behind him collecting RBI’s. Yea, Trout stole 45 bases and put himself in a good position to score, so it’s not the exact same argument, but he doesnt score 125 without his 2-3-4-5 hitters.
I never understand why baserunning and defense is 2/3rds the game, you dont have to steal bases when your mashing doubles and HRs, and defense, while it does have its value is not nearly as important as hitting and never will be
you guys can say whatever you want about stats and circumstances, but to say that miggy is a better ball player and more deserving of MVP based solely on triple crown stats is unfair. and if you were say if you were to start a franchise and you’d take miggy over trout you are an idiot….plain and simple. the game is more than 4 at bats a night, these guys are out in the field for 27 outs a night and how they play out there deserves a hell of alot more attention then it actually gets
Also KFC there are stats out there that basically say stolen bases are a waste of time
As a Red Sox fan, I can debunk KFC’s argument very easily: JD Drew is still a justifiable acquisition according to sabermetrics.
^except in late game circumstances
The fact that you sweep aside a TRIPLE CROWN proves you can’t be taken seriously when talking about baseball. But you are a met fan, so your credibility was shaky anyway
KFC absolutely nailed it. I love that defense and baserunning is overrated argument. Are you fucking serious? You win games by outscoring the opposition, which means preventing runs is as important as scoring them. Offense is just more easily quanitifiable so lazy, unintelligent fucks can point at a number and say see this guy is better which is retarded. Trout is the best baseball player on the planet and it isn’t particularly close. Cabrera is awful at all aspects of the game besides hitting, which he is fucking awesome at. And Trout is pretty awesome at that too.
Right. Cabrera has the power advantage. And the RBI advantage, and the average advantage. And the ballpark dimension, disadvantage……come on man.
your RBI argument is laughable. you point out trout’s 125R as if they are less circumstantial than miggy’s 137 RBI’s which is a joke. plus RBI’s are a good indication of a clutch player getting hits with RISP. hard to argue against either but very fuckin dumb points made by you
Any other year trout is a no brainer for mvp…miggy’s about to win the god damn triple crown and lead his team to the playoffs. you think the triple crown’s stats dont mean anything? these are the stats baseball goes by to decide who’s good. I think driving runs in and hitting the ball out of the park are a hell of a lot more important then stealing 2nd base. The rarity of the triple crown and the fact his team will actually be playing fall baseball will give cabrera a well deserved MVP.
Anyone who wants to argue about the importance of baserunning and defense by the way go look at the 2005 Yankees. That team could mash but they were awful defensively, especially in the OF and it killed them, which is why losing Gardner really hurt them this year. Watching Ibanez and Jones play LF was excruciating.
The fact that you blindly give it to a guy because he “won” a fake “award” that you can put in all caps proves you can’t be taken seriously. Have you adjusted for the ballpark they each play in or the divisions they play in?
Pitching wins more then anything, lets first get that straight.
Are you guys not going to look up the Sept stats? Cabreara batted .50 points higher, had 20 more RBI’s, hit 6 more HR’s, slugged .200 points higher, and .200 points better in ops. One team is going to the playoffs, the other is not. Sucks that Trout had this year when someone is going to win the triple corwn, but shit happens, and nothing better then a drunk winning the triple crown.
read something other than barstool you ignorant fucks #teamtrout
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/AL/2012-other-leaders.shtml
” One team is going to the playoffs, the other is not. ”
Thank you Cleveland, KC, Minny (and Chicago for crapping the bed)
Mike Trout WAR: 10.7 (1st place) Miguel Cabrera WAR: 6.9 (9th place). WAR isn’t rocket science, it’s wins above replacement player. Trout is a full 3 wins ahead of second place. Case closed.
War is based on minor leaguers, its relevency when comparing 2 players head to head is null
Triple Category Stats:
1.) Batting average, high batting average leads to higher on base percentage which leads to scoring runs. Runs win baseball games, at least the last time I checked
2.) Homeruns – A flashy way of scoring runs but still important to the lineup. The power he displays leads to walks and other batters in the lineup seeing better pitches. You are going to throw more fastballs to other hitters due to the fear that one fastball could lead to a home run. This makes the hitters around you better players increasing the value of your number 3 hitter. Home runs lead to runs which just happens win GAMES. Although home runs maybe the least important of the categories which leads into
3.) RBIs – the fact that you say RBIs are useless is completely mind-bottling. As Herm Edwards once said “you play to win the game”. In order to win games, as a Mets fan you may not know, you have to drive in runs. Miggy drives in more runs then Trout and well every other player in the league. Because of the runs he drives in his team is making the playoffs.
Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying that Miggy is no doubt the MVP because Trout is a 5 tool player but, to say the Triple Crown is like hitting the cycle is idiotic. There is a reason why their have been so few Triple Crown winners and why it’s one of the high honors and stats in baseball. Yes, in 1967 Yaz did it with an awful team but, at the same time if you look at his numbers that season they were absolutely pathetic in an American League that was dominate by pitching. To conclude my rambling, in order to win baseball games all 3 categories of the Triple Crown are necessary. Without Miggy driving in and scoring runs the Tigers would be a totally different team.
I don’t get the argument about Trout being so much better than Miggy on defense. Miggy has the 6th best fielding percentage among 3B in his first full season at third. Trout is 8th among CF.
So KFC there is your thought out argument that you were asking for, please refute.
Isn’t runs scored just as dependent on teammates as RBI??? But you left that out.
Bro if you get a woody over defense and baserunning go watch and American Legion game. That shit is weak. Baseball is about OFFENSIVE STATS. How did the steroid era last so long???? Because it was all about OFFENSIVE STATS. WAKE UP!!!!! Cabrera will win and you can go watch highlights of Trout go 1st to 3rd all winter, he’s not winning it.
@freyand2 – you understand why fielding % isn’t a good measure of defensive ability right?
you’re joking right freyand? Fielding percentage tells you absolutely nothing about defense. It counts a lazy pop up right to you and a ball that you make a diving catch at full speed the same.
and do you people know there is no one formula for WAR? You realize that right? It’s a made up stat that is calculated multiple ways. Awesome argument. Not sure why it’s even brought up.
I just made up a stat rating Cabrera 10.3 and Trout 4.2. BOOM!!!!
theres no question that trout is a monster, at the plate, on the bases and in the field, but to say he’s much better at preventing runs than cabrera is retarded. run prevention has far more to do with pitching than anything else so we can throw out that whole portion of your argument. trout will win ROY, Cabrera will win the Triple Crown for the first time in any of our lifetimes, and will win the MVP. I have no doubt that Mike Trout will win MVP’s in due time but this year it’s all Miggy’s. There’s no way to get around him in the lineup. Just an absolute beast.
Jack of spades, you can get an RBI by making a fucking out you moron. Great stat. Runs scored are produced by GETTING ON BASE. If those guys in front of Cabrera don’t get on base, he doesn’t get RBIs. RBIs = pitchers wins.
RBI are just completely circumstantial. If you can’t wrap your mind around how measuring RBI from a leadoff man vs RBI for a guy in the middle of the lineup isn’t a sound measurement, I don’t know how we can have any sort of debate. Runs are just as circumstantial, I dont think they are the reason trout wins. It boils down to 2 things – The Triple Crown is a made up measurement that has been dubbed the greatest achievement ever. The stats have some value, but arent the end all be all. And overall they are comprable offensively, slight edge to miggy – and not comprable at all in other facets of the game – huge edge to trout. Overall edge – trout
batting average IS flawed. I might have 20 coins in my pocket and the guy next to me only has 18, but that doesn’t mean I have more money than he does. Plus if we’re going to argue that Cabrera has more RBIs, we have to consider that a leadoff hitter has 83 RBIs in 20 less games.
umm your arguement actually supports miggy you dumb dk. MVP means most VALUABLE player,, that means WINNING which means PLAYOFFS. very simple equation,, who helped win more games.
KFC doesn’t know what RBI’s are because the Mets only average 2 runs a game. RBI’s are more important than runs scored because you are producing the the score witht he RBI, a run scored is a because of an RBI.
Holy shit Barstool commenters are locked in the stone age of baseball analysis. Probably think wins are the best way to measure how good a pitcher is as well.
example for everyone who loves RBIs - Trout hits a single and steals 2nd. 2nd batter bunts him to 3rd so Trout’s on 3rd, 1 out. Pujols hits a ground ball to SS. Trout scores, Pujols is out at first and gets an RBI for making an out and being lucky enough to have someone on third base. Seriously, great stat guys. RBIs hahahaha. The single and steal by Trout mean nothing to idiots who never played baseball.
or utely beast,, you fail to mention both sides,, trout walks and then comes in on a HR.. umm does that mean anything to you as well
The reason their is a difference between RBIs for a leadoff man and for a guy in the middle of the lineup is the STRATEGY OF THE GAME. You put your best hitters in position to drive in runs.
I know this concept is inconceivable to a Mets fan because your team doesn’t have anyone to drive in runs but, you wouldn’t use Miggy as a leadoff. Why because he hits the ball more often then anyone on your team. Not only does he hit the ball, he hits the ball with power. You place the top of the lineup with people who get on base and have speed. Not all the time do they have to have speed I.E. Jeter and whoever they decide to bat 2nd in the Yankees lineup. The reason you do that is to put your best hitter in the position to drive in runs WHICH WINS BASEBALL GAMES.
This is baseball 101 really. Obviously something hard for you to comprehend because you never surpassed a level in baseball past your twitter POV. I am not disagreeing with you that Trout deserves the MVP, it’s an even tie. The fact the Tigers are going to the play-offs make Miggy the Most-Valuable-Player to his team.
No one said the Triple crown is the best stat in baseball because it is not. It is the greatest single season statistic for a HITTER.
I’m done, you have decided on the Hipster choice. Go sit in a drum circle with the 99%.
I’m not really shocked how many people on here have such low baseball intellect. KFC did make some flawed arguments, runs are dependent on your teammates driving you in, but not as much as RBIs are dependent on your teammates being on base before you get up to the dish.
KFC’s arguments about the differences in division are great points, there needs to be an adjustment made for that. Saying the guy making the playoffs wins it has no precedence, because as an earlier poster stated it’s been done by two guys in the last 7 years.
Yes, there is no one formula for WAR, but when a player is 3 wins above another, that is a CLEAR indication he has had a better season.
It seems a lot of you guys are really sucking off AVG HR RBI. Just because that’s the stat the media chose to show you your entire life growing up does not mean they are the best indicator of who the best player is. The Triple Crown stats are the easiest to understand and the easiest to present on TV. To knock Sabr stats because “they are written by nerds” is fucking pathetic and such a hardo move. Just because nerds chose to better quantify baseball and you can’t understand everything they write does not make them wrong.
@rcht: Trout did. http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2012-batting-leaders.shtml
And it’s not even really close
P.S. Miggy has 203 hits this year. By far the most on his team.
“..people decided runs batted in was important” – uh, yea bro, you need runs to win games. What planet am I on?
The triple crown is like hitting the cycle? Dude, I used to like you.
Can we defrost Ted Williams and see what he thinks?
“other facets of the game” will never win an MVP. Never. Unless you have an off offensive year (Pedroia 2008). This is not an off offensive year.
Cabrera is the smokeshow with a bitchy attitude. Trout is the chubby nice girl. Hotness wins always, stats win always. That’s the way life is.
stro- do you really think Trout isn’t the Angels best hitter?
I may be stuck in the stone age but OPS dont lie and cabrera destroys in that
@rcht2370 “very simple equation,, who helped win more games”
Ummm, without even getting into WAR, the Angels have more wins.
Lets assume Miggy goes hitless over the next 2 days and Trout goes 10-10 and takes over batting average. Are all those arguing for Miguel bc he won the triple crown going to drop your argument?
@kramerica’s stupidity sums up barstool commenters perfectly.
@KFC you didn’t actually expect the morons on this website to agree with something as obviously true as Trout being more valuable than Cabrera?
@hbkslick1016
It’s not just winning the triple crown. It’s being at the TOP of all 3 major categories. Those 3 are weighted so much more heavily than any others. The people who vote don’t take minor stats as seriously.
@RC COLA, people are getting me confused for saying that Miggy is hands down the MVP. I am arguing the importance of RBIs and the triple crown. Trout does have Pujols on his team and a lot of people respect that.
It’s close look at the statistics, Pujols has double the amount of doubles, tied for homers, more RBIs, more TBs, and only 73 strike outs to Trouts 140.
Pujols had a slow start, if he had turned it around faster his BA would be higher. I can’t say hands down Trout is the best hitter on the team but, he has a slight edge.
so rcht2370, you’re stating Trout GOT ON BASE. If he’s on base the guy who hit the HR would get 2 RBIs DUE TO THE PRODUCT OF THE LINEUP GETTING ON BASE.
You guys do know that leadoff hitters don’t get as many RBI chances as guys who hit 3rd or 4th, right?
According to you guys, Ryan Howard is a top 5 player in baseball because of all the RBIs he gets. 56 RBIs in 71 games for Howard AND he’s hitting .219. RBIs though!
Clueless
Cabrera gets MVP, Trout gets ROY. Both win an individual trophy. End of story.
fucking advanced stats dweebs think they run the world
miggy 2012>>>>>>>>>Trout 2012
Kramerica, just leave. You obviously don’t even know you can score a run without an RBI.
Trout has a 50 point edge on Pujols in OBP and 41 point edge in slugging with as many homers.
I can’t believe all the whites on here are picking the Spanish guy!
MVP is probably less relevant than any of the stats you talked about, but that’s beside the point. Like you stated, Cabrera has better stats offensively and his team made the playoffs, pretty much the only 2 things people have ever looked at when it comes to MVP
Rf2011 nailed it. Nobody gives a shit about who wins MVP. Cabrera could have won in the last three years in a row his stats are always that good. Most consistent superstar in the game. Give it to Cabrera. Guarantee you Trout doesn’t give a shit he’s a class act gonna win one in the future if he’s the God he looks like. Besides give me Buster Posey over either of them.
id vote for trout just based on the fact that Miggy gets drunk and beats his wife.
KFC
So your saying that even though Cabrera who had 50 more plate appearances while striking out 40 less times, had 25 more hits including 14 more home runs , 50 more rbi and the same amount of walks that Trout who had Pujols hitting behind him should win the MVP because he has 40 more stolen bases than MIggy?
Suck a bag of dicks you stupid fuck!
Please tell us that Neil, Manzo, the black guy from the Philly site or 5tooler got a hold of your password!
PS- Cabrera only got caught stealing once. Trout 4 times !!!! Put that in your cock shaped pipe and smoke it like it’s Saturday night @ The Eagle.
Miggy- MVP
Trout- Rookie of the Year
I don’t care about how more valuable Trout may have been.. guy gets the triple crown he should be mvp
Trout’s season was closer to Austin Jackson’s than Cabrera’s. Binch of ass clowns!
If you add Mike Trout’s SBs to his Total Bases number he would still be behind Cabrera in TBs. That’s how much better Cabrera is offensively. Miguel also had more doubles, which helps offset mike trouts effectiveness running the bases.
Every stats guy agrees that the stats we currently have for defense are very flawed (2 websites have different formulas for the SAME stat). Also, Miguel kept dominating in the final month when it came time to clinch the playoffs while trout began to struggle. Yea, one player cant put you in the playoffs, but trout didn’t really help his team.
Trout didn’t really help his team? That was one of the most moronic statements I’ve ever heard. The Angels have MORE WINS than the Tigers.
Cabrera plays in the weak AL Central and Tigers only made the playoffs because the White Sox choked. If the Angels were in the AL Central they would make the playoffs. The Triple Crown is great, but that’s only one aspect of the game. Trout is a better player all-round. He should be the MVP, but it will be Cabrera, until it comes out Miggy took PEDs and gets a tainted MVP.
I stopped reading this when you said RBI’s were a useless stat. Give me the guy who hits when it matters (more VALUABLE)
Most of you morons who are in the Trout corner had no idea who Mike Trout was last year. IDIOTS!
“First lets go through the 3 main reasons why people want Miguel Cabrera to win”
When are you going to get to those reasons?
Good to see sports discussion on a sports blog at least.
You know what the saddest part is from all you Stoolies supporting Cabrera? There is a solid argument for him to win and I dont think any of you made it. You just kept repeating triple crown and playoffs. And then pointed out that runs are circumstantial, which they are, thereby admitting RBI are circumstantial and basically arguing against yourselves. You guys are dumb.
KFC probably thinks R.A. Dickey wins the Cy Young for winning 20 games then shits on Cabrera for winning the Triple Crown.
How many MVP’s did Ozzie Smith – probably the best defensive SS of all-time win? Dude saved runs all over the field and swiped 22+ bags annually.
Regarding WAR, which WAR calculation are you using?
Trout has 8 triples and Cabrera has 0 = give the trophy to Jeff Francoeur
Trout is the MVP
I’m amazed how many people actually think Cabrera should be the MVP
And saying Cabrera carried his team down the stretch, unlike Trout, is also idiotic because Trout’s wRC+ was 6 points higher than Cabrera’s in September.
% of PAs with runners on base (min 400 PAs): Miguel Cabrera 48% (26th), Mike Trout 33% (176th)
@KFC
The only argument I can see for Cabrera is that there’s a bigger difference between Cabrera and Don Kelly/Danny Worth than between Trout and Bourjos
Damn, though. Stoolies don’t know shit about baseball. THE ANGELS HAVE MORE WINS THAN THE TIGERS, for fuck’s sake.
kill yourself slowly, KFC
Making the playoffs IS a big deal, and without Miggy the Tigers don’t get there—plain and simple. And it’s not like the Angels have some dog shit roster or pitching staff that held Trout back. That, plus the Triple Crown, equals MVP all day every day.