Encore Of The Trout Over Miggy For MVP Blog

I’ve been having this argument on Twitter for like a week now. Truth be told its hard to convince the idiots supporting Miguel Cabrera 140 characters at a time, so I’m gonna do it here. Now I know this is Barstool so I’m not gonna get all sabermetric-y on you. I won’t talk about WAR and shit like that. Just basic baseball analysis will still lead to you to Mike Trout as the MVP. I understand most of you are in football mode and don’t care, or if you have any baseball knowledge this is a no brainer so this read may be redundant as countless writers have already made these points. But if you’re a Stoolie and you’re drinking the Miggy Triple Crown Kool Aid and wanna hear why you’re an idiot, keep reading
First lets go through the 3 main reasons why people want Miguel Cabrera to win:
1) He’s gonna win the Triple Crown. The Triple Crown is awesome. Its a historically rare and quirky thing that is a nice achievement to throw on your resume. So is hitting for the cycle. Neither of them are statistically that important. The triple crown is made up of 3 stats – 1 is home runs. You can’t deny the importance of home runs, and Miggy obviously beats out Mike Trout in this department. 1 is batting average – a flawed and incomplete stat. And RBI – a pretty useless stat thats based on circumstance. Somewhere along the line back during like World War I people decided runs batted in was important and for some reason a hundred years later people still believe that. Bottom line is, RBIs are completely dependent upon your teammates and where you bat in the batting order. As are runs scored. Neither are a great statistic. Mike Trout bats lead off, Miguel Cabrera in the middle of the order. Cabrera probably sits atop the league in RBI opportunities, Mike Trout does not. Plain and simple Mike Trout could and would have the same RBI numbers if it wasn’t a completely circumstantial stat. As far as the batting average aspect A) the difference between the two is negligible and B) are we just going to ignore walks and reaching base in any other manner besides a hit? Mike Trout has a higher OBP than Cabrera.
At the end of the day, the Triple Crown is a nice achievement, but its just 3 arbitrary stats that were agreed upon to be considered a massive deal. There are other offensive categories that are just as important, and more important, than pieces of the triple crown. Also, just to point out the blatantly obvious – if Cabrera fell one or 2 RBI short or one home run away from the Crown, should be be considered any less valuable?
2) The Tigers are going to make the playoffs – therefore Miguel is more valuable: I think its completely ridiculous that this is even being considered. Baseball is the last sport on earth where team success should be used to evaluate a players worth. Yes, winning is the point of the game – thats why they give out hardware for the World Champions. As far as evaluating the MVP trophy, its just crazy to use that in your decision making process. One player cannot carry a team. There are a million different factors contributing to the Tigers winning the division that has nothing to do with Cabrera. But, for the sake of argument, lets discuss team success. The Tigers would be in 4th place in the AL West. The Angels have 89 wins, the Tigers 87. So now Mike Trout is being penalized for playing in a more competitive division? Miggy gets the award because he plays against the Royals and Twins and Indians all year? Yea. That makes sense. And to take it one step further the Angels were like 6-14 when they called up Trout. Team was an unmitigated disaster. Since his arrival they went 82-57. Again, I’m not saying I believe that you should attribute any of the teams success to one player, I’m just saying if you want to make that argument, Trout still beats out Cabrera
3) Miggy is the first to do “ABC” since “XYZ” – There’s a million of these going around. The first triple crown since Yaz in 1967. The big one last night was “Cabrera now has 201 H, 40 2B, 44 HR, 137 RBI. Numbers had been reached 3 times in history, twice by Gehrig and once by Ruth.” These are obviously tremendous accolades and great company, but they aren’t the end all be all. Trout could be the 3rd guy in history with 30 home runs and 50 stolen bases. He’s the only player ever with 30 HR, 45 SB and 125R. Someone on twitter argued with me last night “But the triple crown is a thing and Trout’s numbers are just numbers.” Because once collection of numbers is “a thing” and the others are not is the worst logic I’ve ever heard. Bottom line is there are dozens of these tidbits for both guys. You can pick arbitrary stats and historical reference points all day long for both these guys. They’ve had amazing yet different stats that are unparalled in a lot of ways.
Which brings me to my main point – offensively both of these guys are tremendously and equally valuable. Their value at the plate is very, very comprable. Trout higher OBP, Miggy higher OPS. Miggy more RBI, Trout more runs scored. Miggy higher slugging and power numbers gives him the overall edge at the plate, but the discrepancy isn’t that enormous. Where the discrepancy is enormous, is in the field and on the base paths. Mike Trout is a tremendous defender at a premium position and Miguel Cabrera is a fat statue sitting at 3rd base only because his team signed an even fatter guy who they needed to plop at first base. Mike Trout has 50 stolen bases and wreaked havoc on the base paths with his speed. Trout is so vastly superior in every other facet of the game besides standing at home plate with a bat in his hand, he more than makes up for the difference in home runs. By like, a lot. Its not like Mike Trout is a slap singles hitter. He’s got a very healthy 30 bombs to go along with his value everywhere else on the diamond.
Miguel Cabrera will win the MVP. The world is too enamored with the Triple Crown and making the playoffs. But if you value RBI over defense and base running, and you want to judge one player based on an entire pitching staff and batting order’s success, you just don’t know baseball. #TeamTrout.

Nate Silver’s got your back: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/14/the-statistical-case-against-cabrera-for-m-v-p/
I do like all these saber stats like WAR… But I am going to take the guy who hits in the middle of the order hits for the triple crown and leads his team to a divisional title, sweep of the yankees and appearance in the world series.
Gross. #TeamMiggy: http://nyc.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/counterpoint-does-this-look-like-the-face-of-your-al-mvp-runner-up/
yeah im pretty sure the guy who led the league in average, rbi, and homeruns should probably be the mvp eh?
More importantly KFC, who you got for the NL MVP?
Because with the description you laid out, any answer aside from Andrew McCutchen makes you a hypocrite. If there’s consistency in your thought, I respect that and see where you’re coming from. While I agree with you regarding WAR, I think the Triple Crown is rare enough to warrant the MVP
the title of this blog should be “miggy for mvp? for sure not”
610 I hate your argument. Cabrera should be MVP because the Tigers wouldnt make the playoffs without him? So should Yadier Molina or Beltran be NL MVP because the cardinals wouldn’t have played extra baseball without them? The fact that Angels played so well after Trout came to the team indicates Value Added, who’s to say Miguel is more important to the Tigers than Trout was to LA.
trout had a better season. he should win
Miggy is the MVP, watch it get tarnished when it comes out he took HGH in January.
Wrong again KFC! you lazy eyed dildo
Dude won triple crown, so there. If Josh Hamilton would have belted two bombs the last game of the year Trout wins. Trout dont care, he’s 21. Dude is gonna snag 50 bags next year and bat .300.
I understand your argument against RBI, but the same can be said about runs, which were a major part of Trout’s season. In order to score a run you have to get on base, but then somebody has to drive you in. Its just like RBI but the opposite.
…and if the Yankees had more RBI they would have won more playoff games……
KFC you couldnt be more wrong Cabrera won the triple crown, it hasn’t beed done in like 40 years and carried his team to the playoffs and the World Series (even though that isn’t supposed to be considered for REGULAR Season MVP), Trout had a great year and I’m not taking what he did lightly, but Cabrera was an absolute monster on a team that under performed and won their division. WIthout Cabrera the Tigers would have been a major disappointment. I know that his WAR (Wins Against Replacement) was only 6 and Trouts was 10 but it doesn’t take into account Batting Average and RBI’s; if they did Cabrera would have had a better WAR and with the eye test even tho I know thats hard for you to judge with your lazy eye; Cabrera was the MVP by only a little bit though. Plus Trouts has better hitters around him Cabrera has Fielder and it was proven in the playoffs that teams didn’t pitch to Cabrera because Fielder is over rated Home Run or bust for him. Trout has Pujois probably the best baseball player the past 8-10 years, also Tori Hunter and Trumbo around him. Overall Trout had a more talented line up around him even tho he was the catalyst for it, Trout will have plenty more chances to win the MVP, but this year he was slightly beat out by Cabrera with his Historic Season!
Can someone explain to me how the fuck clancy can actually sit here and tell me RBI’s aren’t important? yeah he bats lead off but GUESS WHAT ASS HAT after the first inning he could be batting third or fourth in the inning. Batting order is only important in the first inning, after that it’s just who makes outs and who gets on base. I still love you. even if you’re a retard who can actually string these words into a sentence:
” He’s gonna win the Triple Crown. The Triple Crown is awesome. Its a historically rare and quirky thing that is a nice achievement to throw on your resume. So is hitting for the cycle. Neither of them are statistically that important. The triple crown is made up of 3 stats – 1 is home runs.”
wait so.. the triple crown is made up of 3 stats that aren’t statistically important? ITS ONLY THE ONLY STATS THAT MATTER. HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU SAY THAT. And when men get on base, RBI’s show that you can HIT with RISP YOU FUCKING IDIOT GOD I JUST SPILLED MY COFFEE NOW FGJKEHQJLBFSJB
Kiddo i didnt say they are completely useless, i’m saying they aren’t a good stat to measure a players worth. Miggy had the most RBI chances in the league ( i think) If trout had the same amount of opportunities, he would have been right there with his RBI total. I dont understand how people are on board with the idea that Wins for a pitcher aren’t a very telling stat but cant understand the same argument for RBI. Very similar situations. Its a very basic notion.
gmen miggy did something that hasnt been done in 40 years. Mike trout did something that has never been done. Never > 40 yrs.
KFC, you do realize that if Trout hit in the same spot in the order as Miggy he’d probably have the same RBIs/Runs as him or possibly less. Miggy would still have the BA and HRs. And I understand your argument about Trout’s defense/baserunning putting him over the top and I counter with this: Yes Trout can have the baserunning aspect of it, but while he is a superior defender in an important position, you have to take into account that Cabrera changed positions in the offseason to accomodate Fielder being brought in. I’ll remind you that Fielder was only brought in because V-Mart was out for the year with injury. I’d say that is equivalent in value to Mike Trout simply playing his natural position very well. Putting Cabrera in an unfamiliar position only months before the season starts and asking him to go from playing the easiest position in the infield to the 2nd most difficult while maintaining his offensive production is a challenge that Trout didn’t have to endure.